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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 21, 2005 8:22pm
Forum: etree Subject: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Two of the band's most beloved songs, whether alone or (more commonly) paired together.

I'm looking for the closest thing to the perfect pairing. I realize most say the Cornell 5-8-77 version sets the bar, and while I agree it's excellent, I miss hearing that middle "Almost ablaze..." verse that was added in later years. (Also, while there are many great version from '77, I think it's fair to say that beyond the lack of the 3rd verse, they also are very similar to one another; the jams in later years are a bit more varied).

My most common complaint, and what's kept me from finding that "Exactly Perfect Brothers" version, is that Jerry almost always messes up the words. Yes, I forgive him. But it's also annoying. For example, I have a personal favorite version from Lehigh 9-25-81 that is just outstanding, BUT first verse into 'Fire', the J-man has to mumble and stumble his way just to get to that Dragon with Fire who's loose on the town. You get the idea.

So...if y'all don't mind, I would love to hear suggestions for that close-to-perfect as one can get Scarlet>Fire combo that no collection should be w/out.

As alwys, thanks!
GC

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Poster: adroot02 Date: Aug 22, 2005 8:43am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

oops! forgot that the Dead Set Cd contains only Fire On The Mountain. But another one to check out is 11-26-82. That should make up for the mistake!

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Poster: adroot02 Date: Aug 22, 2005 8:30am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Favorite two performances are actually on officially released cds. The version on Dead Set is pretty happening and develops out of some really disgusting Phil madness. And my other favorite is from 03-22-90 released on the So Many Roads Box set.

Others to check out for sure are:
05-15-77,05-25-77,03-18-77, and a nice one from 03-27-88

And speaking of Scarlet/Fire there is hidden track of this on Dick's Pick's vol.13/disc 2 which is slow and funky. worth checking out for sure but VERY slow! The guys were deep into something that night!

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Poster: timbenschoter Date: Aug 21, 2005 8:55pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

2 or 3 suggestions...

how bout 10-21-83? or perhaps shorelines scarlet>victim>fire...

also one of my personal favorites for sound quality, crowd nose, and just plain ol' jamability dead 07-06-2003.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Aug 21, 2005 8:55pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Earlier discussion:

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=32238

This post was modified by Brad Leblanc on 2005-08-22 03:55:54

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 21, 2005 9:13pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Thanks for the link to earlier discussion...my apologies for not looking for that first...seems like many fine suggestions on this link and much to explore!
GC

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Aug 21, 2005 9:29pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

No worries.

Most of the more popular GD songs have (at least) 1 thread encompassing 20 or 30 recommendations. It's best to search for them before starting a new one.

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Poster: timbenschoter Date: Aug 21, 2005 9:11pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Twilight Space

Me and My good buddy and life long friend James D. was sitting in a car in a parking lot waiting to purchase some concert tickets, listening to the dead, He had a tape that had a real trippy almost twilight zone ish version of space I know it was a new years tape but i am not sure when it was it might have been 12-28-89 which is removed from archive. does any know other space that has similar properties?

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Poster: GDJoe Date: Apr 21, 2009 1:35pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

1983-10-21, I just can't stop goin' back to it!

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Poster: bonk Date: Aug 21, 2005 11:17pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

nice Scarlet>fire 7-7-89 RFK in Philly...check it out!

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Poster: adroot02 Date: Aug 22, 2005 9:09am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

all right, one more. I just found this one as I was inspired to go searching for a few of these gems myself. 06-07-91 from Deer Creek is rockin. Hornsby is high in the mix and kickin ass!

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Poster: adedhed68 Date: Aug 22, 2005 1:17pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Just for the heck of it.....4/3/82 has an incredible stand alone "Let it Grow". This has to be the best ever.

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Poster: Lewis/Klitschko Date: Aug 22, 2005 6:39am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Did anyone mention 2/3/79 Market Square Arena?

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Poster: US Blues Date: Aug 22, 2005 6:54am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Market Square is excellent, especially the musical climax Jerry reaches during his solo in Scarlet Begonias.

My favorite is 1.8.79 at MSG. Jerry's voice is a bit rough, but the version is epic and the end of Fire is unique and majestic.

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Poster: ifyouchoose Date: Aug 23, 2005 11:11pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

This one here has easily always been my fav. Then again I probably havent' heard them all! The day before Jerry's 40th BD. He kicks ass on this 1 ! Notable mention to the groove they got going on the 1st set Scarlet during the Closing of WL.

Grateful Dead, 1982-07-31,Manor Downs, Austin, TX

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=15236

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Aug 22, 2005 4:30am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

A couple of my favorites are:
Nassau Colliseum, 11-1-79 This is a 40 minute version, awesome

Rochester NY 9-1-79,
Red Rocks 9-8-83

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Aug 22, 2005 5:13am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

hi,folks check out the scarlet/fire 4-26-84 providence,RI a sweet intro from brent which is played a little different. a+++ sound at 28 mins

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Poster: dr. flashback Date: Aug 21, 2005 11:21pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Good morning Grendel, and may the force be with you in your quest for the ultimate Scarlet>Fire! Other than getting the words right, which is nice but not essential for me (are you an English major?LOL) you'll want to get a Scarlet where they really find that certain groove, not too fast. And a Fire where they do more than just play the chords and go thru the motions but really explore the jam possibilities.
Though I prefer the 1977 versions, the 80's versions have their high points - Brent's organ counterpoint which adds a reggae feel, the extra verse you mention, and of course no Donna. May I suggest 9/11/82 where they kick off Set Two with it. Or the great version from 12/31/80, or even 10/14/80 at the Warfield.
My favs are the 1977's though, and you haven't heard them all till you've cranked it up with -
5/4/77
5/25/77 - the legendary Mosque show.
10/2/77 and
10/16/77 - Bobby's Bday show. S>F kicks off an
amazing Dream Set Two that leaves you stunned and without a face!
happy hunting,
Dr. Flashback :-)

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 22, 2005 12:13am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Thanks, Dr. F...and yes, guilty as charged, I WAS an English major and maybe that explains my rather anal retentive (that's a nice way of putting it) focus on getting the lyrics right. But I do think it's important if only b/c the lyrics (especially Hunter's) are really underrated and part of what makes the Dead's music so wonderful.

Thanks very much for the suggestions!
GC

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Poster: dr. flashback Date: Aug 22, 2005 12:19am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

I knew it!! Well as an English major, what do you think of the song "Days Between" featured on the So Many Roads box set? As far as Hunter's lyrics go, I think it's one of his finest, and it's a shame he didn't write it ten years earlier so we'd have more version of it. It stands alone as poetry.
The lyrics get this ol' hippie choked up every time.
Dr. Flashback

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 22, 2005 12:40am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Funny you mention "Days Between."

I too think the lyrics are brilliant, BUT I don't care for the tune! It just strikes me as clunky and slow, and not very conducive to what at the time wass Jerry's fading and creaky voice. I have to admit, i'm highly critical of most of the band's output from "Built to Last"--one of the cheesiest and simply most ridiculous albums ever made, IMHO-- to the end...which is probably sour grapes on my part b/c I was also just so ticked off that the whole "scene" had gotten so out of hand and likely hastened Jerry's exit from this mortal coil.

Damn, I miss that guy!

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Aug 22, 2005 1:05am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Quit diverting the thread Dr.!! This is about Scarlet>Fire NOT English class, yech! ; )
I've always been partial to the 12/31/78 version. Perhaps overlooked as the show itself isn't as great as the occasion demanded, but the S>F has the slow shuffly pace I like and Jerry's initial introduction of the Fire theme, complete with a dissonant note and re-start never fails to bring a smile. The aforementioned 10/16/77 show also has a similar 'feel' about it.Heck just download them all and decide fer yersef.(mangled English for Grendels benefit.)

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Poster: GMW Date: Aug 22, 2005 3:12am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Also a major Scarlet-Fire lover. I feel it is the band's defining song(s). Love many versions already mentioned.
One not mentioned that is truly outstanding, as there are many separate jam vignettes throughout is: New Haven,CT - 4-23-83.
Archive doesn't have the show though, and I would love to upgrade my copy, if I could find one.

Enjoy them all...

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Poster: Terp97 Date: Aug 22, 2005 4:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Check out DP18 from 2/78. its got a great version with a solid transition from S->F. I play percussion and have jammed along to this version many many times...

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Poster: adedhed68 Date: Aug 22, 2005 1:13pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Check out the S>F from 4/3/82. Although there is no SBD of this one (yet), the AUD recording is real nice, and this S>F is on of the very best IMHO

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